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The following presentations were made: #1 Geoff Thompson, Nortel – Spyder-LAN (see Spider-LAN.ppt) Discussion: 1394 compatibility 100Mbps compatibility Can spyder mode be originated and best-effort data be later sent from the same DTE Can spider elements be cascaded?

IEEE 802.3 Open Revision Requests
Order by Request Number IEEE 802.3 Open Revision Requests Order by Request Number Req# Status Standard Clause Date Subject 1380 B 802.3.2-2019 Various, see details 08-Sep-20 MAC address format 1383 B 802.3.1-2013 Various, see details 19-Nov-20 References to IEEE Std 802.1D 1394 B 802.3-2022 98.2.1 18-Feb-22 Clause 98 HSM support 1395 B 802.3-2022 147.8 22-Mar-22 Mixing segment specifications 1396 B 802.3-2022 147.8 22-Mar-22 Mixing segment specifications 1397 B 802.3-2022 1.4.473 01-Apr-22 Definition of "PoDL PSE" 1398 B 802.3-2022 Various, see details 23-May-22 Primitive name 1399 B 802.3-2022 56.1.3 06-Jun-22 Split Table 56-1 by media type 1400 B 802.3-2022 4.1.2.2 13-Jul-22 Description of collision 1401 B 802.3-2022 144.3.5 09-Sep-22 Remove GLID from list 1402 B 802.3-2022 135F.1 01-Dec-22 Typo 1403 B 802.3-2022 Table 119-5 09-May-23 Typo 1404 B 802.3-2022 Annex 55A 12-May-23 Machine-readable extracts 1405 B 802.3-2022 Various, see details 26-May-23 Formatting error 1406 B 802.3-2022 Various, see details 26-May-23 Incorrect cross-reference 1407 B 802.3-2022 Various, see details 02-Jun-23 Update interface list 1408 B 802.3-2022 30.12.3.1.59 07-Jul-23 "PD" not "PSE" 1409 B 802.3-2022 30.12.3.1 10-Jul-23 Duplicate subclause numbers 1410 B 802.3-2022 Various, see details 06-Aug-23 Typo 1411 B 802.3-2022 99.3.6 06-Aug-23 mCRC value mapping 1412 B 802.3-2022 99.4.7.1 06-Aug-23 State diagram conventions 1413 B 802.3-2022 99.4.7.7 18-Aug-23 SMDS_ENCODE() definition 1414 B 802.3-2022 99.4.7.7 18-Aug-23 Typo 1415 B 802.3-2022 149.8.2.1 07-Sep-23 Error in return loss limit 1416 B 802.3cy-2023 165.8.2.1 07-Sep-23 Error in return loss limit 1417 B 802.3ck-2022 161.5.3.8 20-Sep-23 am_rxpayloads derivation 1418 B 802.3-2022 Figure 36-3 20-Sep-23 Incorrect title 1419 B 802.3-2022 Figure 99-6 22-Sep-23 Missing action 1420 B 802.3ck-2022 116.4 29-Sep-23 Incorrect delay constraints 1421 I 802.3-2022 97.4.2.4 11-Oct-23 infofield_complete behavior 1422 B 802.3-2022 97.4.2.4.10 11-Oct-23 Requirement conditional on EEE 1423 B 802.3ck-2022 Various, see details 08-Nov-23 AC-coupling to test points 1424 B 802.3ck-2022 Various, see details 08-Nov-23 Add measurement frequency 1425 B 802.3-2022 Figure 119-11 13-Dec-23 Typo 1426 B 802.3-2022 149.1.3 18-Jan-24 Extraneous signal 1427 B 802.3-2022 120G.3.3.5.2 25-Jan-24 Incorrect reference point 1428 R 802.3-2022 132.1.6 07-Feb-24 Incorrect cross reference 1429 R 802.3-2022 46.3.4.3 02-Apr-24 State diagram transition 1430 R 802.3-2022 Table 141-20 03-Apr-24 Incorrect column headings 1431 R 802.3-2022 Various, see details 29-Apr-24 Update reference Return to 802.3 Maintenance Requests Page Last Update: 08 May 2024

[STDS-802-11-EDITORS] 11be ANA request Thread Links Date Links Thread Prev Thread Next Thread Index Date Prev Date Next Date Index [STDS-802-11-EDITORS] 11be ANA request To : STDS-802-11-EDITORS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject : [STDS-802-11-EDITORS] 11be ANA request From : "Stacey, Robert" < robert.stacey@xxxxxxxxx > Date : Thu, 26 Jan 2023 17:04:22 +0000 --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Editors' Reflector --- Hello Edward,   You allocations: TransactionID Type Status User Group Resource Ref Doc Ref Subclause Ref Location Name Req Value Description Allocated Value 1390 Allocate Pending Edward Au TGbe StatusCodes IEEE Std 802.11-2020 9.4.1.9 Table 9-50 DENIED_LINK_ON_WHICH_THE_(RE)ASSOCIATION FRAME_IS_ TRANSMITTED_NOT_ACCEPTED Link not accepted because the link on which the (Re)Association Request frame is transmitted is not accepted. 139 1391 Allocate Pending Edward Au TGbe StatusCodes IEEE Std 802.11-2020 9.4.1.9 Table 9-50 EPCS_DENIED_VERIFICATION_FAILURE EPCS priority access is temporarily denied because the receiving AP MLD is unable to verify that the non-AP MLD is authorized for an unspecified reason. 140 1392 Allocate Pending Edward Au TGbe StatusCodes IEEE Std 802.11-2020 9.4.1.9 Table 9-50 DENIED_OPERATION_PARAMETER_UPDATE Operation parameter update denied because the requested operation parameters or capabilities are not acceptable. 141 1393 Allocate Pending Edward Au TGbe Element ID Extension 1 IEEE Std 802.11-2020 9.4.2.1 Table 9-92 MLO Link Information 133 1394 Allocate Pending Edward Au TGbe Element ID Extension 1 IEEE Std 802.11-2020 9.4.2.1 Table 9-92 AID Bitmap 134 1395 Allocate Pending Edward Au TGbe Element ID Extension 1 IEEE Std 802.11-2020 9.4.2.1 Table 9-92 Bandwidth Indication 135   So you don’t need to ask twice 😊   -Robert     From: Edward Au Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 8:22 AM To: Stacey, Robert Subject: 11be ANA request   Dear Robert,   I would like to request allocation of the following 6 items for TGbe:   Type of Request Resource Name Item Name Item Description Requested Value (if any) Requested by Task Group Requested by Name Allocate StatusCodes DENIED_LINK_ON_WHICH_THE_(RE)ASSOCIATION FRAME_IS_ TRANSMITTED_NOT_ACCEPTED Link not accepted because the link on which the (Re)Association Request frame is transmitted is not accepted.  

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From IEEE Std 1394 Serial Bus experiences, as well as the telecom industry as a whole, the value of synchronous transfers is greatly increased if time-of-day clocks can also be synchronized.

I could imagine one that is used to tag all IEC 61883-type packets (the normal tagging and formatting system for consumer-electronics type streams in 1394). -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Michael D.

. > > Examples: > > IEEE Std 802(R)-2002 or IEEE 802(R)-2002 > > IEEE 802(R) Working Group > > IEEE Std 802.11b(TM)-1999 > > IEEE 1394(TM) > > IEEE P1232(TM) > >If you have any questions, CONTACT Claudio Stanziola - IEEE Standards > >Activities - telephone +1 732 562 3804; " MailTo:c.stanziola@ieee.org" ;.

Some overall news: * The IEEE SA Standards board approved the 1394 revision PAR.

Re: [STDS-802-11-TGAZ] TGaz Sep. 9th Telecon Agenda and Call for Submiss Thread Links Date Links Thread Prev Thread Next Thread Index Date Prev Date Next Date Index Re: [STDS-802-11-TGAZ] TGaz Sep. 9th Telecon Agenda and Call for Submissions To : STDS-802-11-TGAZ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject : Re: [STDS-802-11-TGAZ] TGaz Sep. 9th Telecon Agenda and Call for Submissions From : "Das, Dibakar" < dibakar.das@xxxxxxxxx > Date : Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:52:45 +0000 Hi Jonathan,   Can you please add the following CR submissions to the queue: 11-20-1392- CR for 11.22.6.3.3 (Dibakar Das) 11-20-1393- Misc CR for Clause 9 (Dibakar Das) 11-20-1394- Misc CR for Clause 11 (Dibakar Das) ?  

RBR includes features appropriate for the > low-latency > backplane environment: destination-based flow control, low-power > short-haul > PHY, backplane-to-backplane links, transport of IEEE-1394 > isochronous > data, > and support of IEEE-1596 memory-update operations." > > Background material includes: > http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/msc/MSC200404/RbrSlides2004Mar31.pdf > http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/msc/MSC200401/RprBackplane.pdf > > Items on the agenda include: > 1) Formulation of email reflector lists. > 2) Review of approved PAR. > 3) Sollicitation of technical inputs and strawman proposals. > 4) Discussion of related activities. > 5) Future meeting schedule. > 6) Other items as requested. > > In particular, this is an opportunity to suggest directions, revisions > of the slides and objectives, and/or strawman proposals.

Most noteable are IEEE 754 Floating Point >> > and IEEE 1394, and other microprocessor standards.

Jonathan   From: Das, Dibakar Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 10:53 To: Segev, Jonathan ; STDS-802-11-TGAZ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: TGaz Sep. 9th Telecon Agenda and Call for Submissions   Hi Jonathan,   Can you please add the following CR submissions to the queue: 11-20-1392- CR for 11.22.6.3.3 (Dibakar Das) 11-20-1393- Misc CR for Clause 9 (Dibakar Das) 11-20-1394- Misc CR for Clause 11 (Dibakar Das) ?  

Regards, Edward ---------- Forwarded message --------- Hello Edward,   You allocations: TransactionID Type Status User Group Resource Ref Doc Ref Subclause Ref Location Name Req Value Description Allocated Value 1390 Allocate Pending Edward Au TGbe StatusCodes IEEE Std 802.11-2020 9.4.1.9 Table 9-50 DENIED_LINK_ON_WHICH_THE_(RE)ASSOCIATION FRAME_IS_ TRANSMITTED_NOT_ACCEPTED Link not accepted because the link on which the (Re)Association Request frame is transmitted is not accepted. 139 1391 Allocate Pending Edward Au TGbe StatusCodes IEEE Std 802.11-2020 9.4.1.9 Table 9-50 EPCS_DENIED_VERIFICATION_FAILURE EPCS priority access is temporarily denied because the receiving AP MLD is unable to verify that the non-AP MLD is authorized for an unspecified reason. 140 1392 Allocate Pending Edward Au TGbe StatusCodes IEEE Std 802.11-2020 9.4.1.9 Table 9-50 DENIED_OPERATION_PARAMETER_UPDATE Operation parameter update denied because the requested operation parameters or capabilities are not acceptable. 141 1393 Allocate Pending Edward Au TGbe Element ID Extension 1 IEEE Std 802.11-2020 9.4.2.1 Table 9-92 MLO Link Information 133 1394 Allocate Pending Edward Au TGbe Element ID Extension 1 IEEE Std 802.11-2020 9.4.2.1 Table 9-92 AID Bitmap 134 1395 Allocate Pending Edward Au TGbe Element ID Extension 1 IEEE Std 802.11-2020 9.4.2.1 Table 9-92 Bandwidth Indication 135   So you don’t need to ask twice 😊   -Robert     From: Edward Au < edward.ks.au@xxxxxxxxx > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 8:22 AM To: Stacey, Robert < robert.stacey@xxxxxxxxx > Subject: 11be ANA request   Dear Robert,   I would like to request allocation of the following 6 items for TGbe:   Type of Request Resource Name Item Name Item Description Requested Value (if any) Requested by Task Group Requested by Name Allocate StatusCodes DENIED_LINK_ON_WHICH_THE_(RE)ASSOCIATION FRAME_IS_ TRANSMITTED_NOT_ACCEPTED Link not accepted because the link on which the (Re)Association Request frame is transmitted is not accepted.  

John S. wants to make sure that we provide what is necessary to support requirements for 1394.

The project will be taken to the 1394 TA board for approval in July. 8:34 Glyn Roberts discussed the closing report for the PC committee (IEEE802.15-03/189r2) 8:38 Karaoguz reported on 802.11g.

print:1394 1 of 2 9/12/2003 1:10 PM PAR FORM PAR Status: Amendment of Standard PAR Approval Date: 2003-09-11 PAR Signature Page on File: Yes Review of Standards Development Process: No 1.

Average skew is 2.3 bits, maximal skew is 5.6 bits. 15 Stage 2 - Long Simulation, Setup A Simulations length: 1012 bits, 10 seconds 10 input and output Electrical media, 4 optical Skew: None in electrical media Max skew in optical: 5 bits (latencies in bit-time: 1, 2, 4, 6) Input scenarios: Random input All ones input All ones input, scrambler seed randomized every 6x106 bits (every 60µs, total 185649 times) 16 0 0.01 0.02 0.03 0.04 0.05 0.06 0.07 0.08 0.09 1 5 9 13 17 21 25 29 33 37 41 45 49 53 57 61 65 69 73 77 81 85 89 93 97 101 105 109 113 117 121 125 scrambler Electrical media optical media Random Input (128b window) 1548(-1534)41Max (min) 1514-151039Scrambler 1418-129637Rx EM 9 1466-131636Rx EM 8 1396-135038Rx EM 7 1354-153439Rx EM 6 1314-130835Rx EM 5 1434-132636Rx EM 4 1476-134437Rx EM 3 1412-137235Rx EM 2 1374-138436Rx EM 1 1374-139837Rx EM 0 1402-141841Optical 3 1548-146636Optical 2 1410-144437Optical1 1454-144437Optical 0 1396-135036Tx EM 9 1332-136435Tx EM 8 1312-130835Tx EM 7 1366-141833Tx EM 6 1476-134437Tx EM 5 1348-137235Tx EM 4 1374-138235Tx EM 3 1444-139435Tx EM 2 1418-129638Tx EM 1 1424-144035Tx EM 0 Max running disparity Min running disparity Max run length 17 0 0.01 0.02 0.03 0.04 0.05 0.06 0.07 0.08 0.09 1 5 9 13 17 21 25 29 33 37 41 45 49 53 57 61 65 69 73 77 81 85 89 93 97 101 105 109 113 117 121 125 scrambler Electrical media optical media All Ones Input (128b window) 1934(-1460)43Max (min) 1934-128443Scrambler 1400-133439Rx EM 9 1368-137840Rx EM 8 1390-140840Rx EM 7 1318-142837Rx EM 6 1390-130237Rx EM 5 1398-143837Rx EM 4 1494-139438Rx EM 3 1438-134437Rx EM 2 1370-140435Rx EM 1 1398-135039Rx EM 0 1468-136236Optical 3 1482-138440Optical 2 1466-140837Optical1 1502-146040Optical 0 1390-140842Tx EM 9 1336-142237Tx EM 8 1390-129837Tx EM 7 1410-132034Tx EM 6 1494-139437Tx EM 5 1394-132836Tx EM 4 1368-140436Tx EM 3 1428-133435Tx EM 2 1400-133439Tx EM 1 1358-137436Tx EM 0 Max running disparity Min running disparity Max run length 18 Stage 3 - Long Simulation, Setup B Simulations length: 1012 bits, 10 seconds 4 transmit and receive electrical media, 2 optical Possible future evolution Skew: None in electrical media Skew in optical: 7 bits (latencies in bit-time: 1, 8) Input scenarios: Random input All ones input 19 0 0.01 0.02 0.03 0.04 0.05 0.06 0.07 0.08 1 6 11 16 21 26 31 36 41 46 51 56 61 66 71 76 81 86 91 96 101 106 111 116 121 126 InEM0 Optic0 OutEM0 Scrambler Electrical Scrambler Optic Random Input 1468(-1602)51Max (min) 1446-160240Scrambler 1414-137242Rx EM 3 1468-142238Rx EM 2 1424-140438Rx EM 1 1400-136836Rx EM 0 1412-142043Optical1 1438-142851Optical 0 1414-137242Tx EM 3 1400-136836Tx EM 2 1424-140438Tx EM 1 1468-142238Tx EM 0 Max running disparity Min running disparity Max run length 20 0 0.01 0.02 0.03 0.04 0.05 0.06 0.07 0.08 1 6 11 16 21 26 31 36 41 46 51 56 61 66 71 76 81 86 91 96 101 106 111 116 121 126 InEM1 Optical1 OutEM2 Scrambler Electrical Scrambler Optic All Ones Input

I know that 1394 has another focus but putting a CAT-5 network is somewhat easier than planning a flexible 1394 network (in Europe we don´t have phone nets like in the US).

Task Assignment From the earlier IEEE 802.11 TGe simulation ad hoc group meeting, Philips was assigned the following tasks in the OPNET 802.11 Wireless LAN model enhancement: · Adding PLCP preamble and header · Adding PHY layer delays such as CCA delay and Rx-Tx turnaround time · Modelling IEEE 802.11a PHY · Adding the interface to IEEE 1394 2.

Research liReady Systems lKansai Denki lLG Electronics lMatsushita Electronics lMatsushita Works lMicrosoft lMitsubishi lMotorola lNational Semiconductor lNEC Corporation lNortel lOki lOsitis Software ® Intel’s Labs9 SWAP Product Development l Butterfly Communications l Compaq l Hewlett-Packard l IBM l Intel l iReady l Microsoft l Motorola l Proxim l OTC Telecom l RF Monolithics l Samsung l Symbionics The following member companies are developing SWAP products: ® Intel’s Labs10 Enabling the Vision PrinterCamera Game Pad USB Stereo Camcorder VCR TV Multimedia (e.g. 1394) Grandma’s Brownies 3 cups flour 1 cup grated chocolate 1 cup sugar 1 stick butter HomeRF SWAP Control Point HomePNA Phone Cable 1394 ® Intel’s Labs11 The SWAP Network Other Home Networks (HPNA,phone,AC) TCP/IP Based Network of Asynchronous Peer-Peer Devices Main Home PC ?

We are also looking at a 1394 traffic model (low quality video model).

. – Full Topology » In USB, IEEE 1394, and Fiber Channel the master station knows the full topology of the bus 13Making Global Networks Workbdh_adp_01.pdf Capability Knowledge How much does each node know of the capabilities (such as the link rate) of the other members of the Ring?

. > > The DTV/audio "clusters" will likely be connected together with 1394, but > the bridges between 1394 and 802.3+ will have queues as well, so that > doesn't reduce the need for queue management. > > Hmm.