From : Jon Rosdahl < jrosdahl@xxxxxxxx > Date : Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:02:41 -0700 --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Task Group M Technical Reflector --- Hello, I have uploaded the GEN AdHoc file that shows all the comments in the Gen AdHoc: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/12/11-12-1394-04-000m-gen-adhoc-preballot-comment-collection-resolutions.xlsx   There are several comments that are still open, as we try to complete prep for closing comments this week, we could use your help.

[STDS-802-11-TGM] Update to Gen AdHoc comments posted -- 11-12/1394r8 Thread Links Date Links Thread Prev Thread Next Thread Index Date Prev Date Next Date Index [STDS-802-11-TGM] Update to Gen AdHoc comments posted -- 11-12/1394r8 To : STDS-802-11-TGM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject : [STDS-802-11-TGM] Update to Gen AdHoc comments posted -- 11-12/1394r8 From : Jon Rosdahl < jrosdahl@xxxxxxxx > Date : Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:42:19 -0700 --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Task Group M Technical Reflector --- https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/12/11-12-1394-08-000m-gen-adhoc-preballot-comment-collection-resolutions.xlsx Covers comment resolutions added through PM1 Thursday Jan 17th.  

From : Jon Rosdahl < jrosdahl@xxxxxxxx > Date : Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:30:53 -0700 --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Task Group M Technical Reflector --- https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/12/11-12-1394-09-000m-gen-adhoc-preballot-comment-collection-resolutions.xlsx   That is the last update planned for the week.

From : Jon Rosdahl < jrosdahl@xxxxxxxx > Date : Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:02:41 -0700 --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Working Group Reflector --- Hello, I have uploaded the GEN AdHoc file that shows all the comments in the Gen AdHoc: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/12/11-12-1394-04-000m-gen-adhoc-preballot-comment-collection-resolutions.xlsx   There are several comments that are still open, as we try to complete prep for closing comments this week, we could use your help.

High-precision multi-bit linear audio 25 to 196 bit PCM MIDI conformant SMPTE time code conformant Sample count Ancillary data 32bit floating point 24 bit * 4 pack 32bit generic 61883-7 (BO.1294) Transport Stream DirecTV DSS MPEG-2 transport stream. 130byte TS packet length 61883-8 (BT.601) Video Compressed and uncompressed video: 176x120 to 1920x1080, 15 to 60fps IIDC (1394 Digital Camera) Video Uncompressed video 160x120 to 1600x1200 RGB/YUV/B&W, 1.875 to 240fps MMA ?

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[STDS-802-11-TGM] update to Gen AdHoc Spreadsheet posted -- 11-12/1394r5 Thread Links Date Links Thread Prev Thread Next Thread Index Date Prev Date Next Date Index [STDS-802-11-TGM] update to Gen AdHoc Spreadsheet posted -- 11-12/1394r5 To : STDS-802-11-TGM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject : [STDS-802-11-TGM] update to Gen AdHoc Spreadsheet posted -- 11-12/1394r5 From : Jon Rosdahl < jrosdahl@xxxxxxxx > Date : Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:46:03 -0700 --- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Task Group M Technical Reflector --- After reviewing the file, there were some minor errors that have been corrected here: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/12/11-12-1394-05-000m-gen-adhoc-preballot-comment-collection-resolutions.xlsx   note that Eldad's 5 Comments all now show up on Tab GEN 1431 correctly.

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/12/11-12-1394-06-000m-gen-adhoc-preballot-comment-collection-resolutions.xlsx   Please let me know if you can take one or more comments.

There are 10 CIDs that are ready now for a motion   https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/12/11-12-1394-07-000m-gen-adhoc-preballot-comment-collection-resolutions.xlsx   28 CIDs have an owner -- 27 still open for help.   

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When it 24 did this it listed the existing PHY speeds, thinking new PHYs would be 25 added as they came available. 802.3ch-2020 already failed to add itself. 26 Making this general change will fix the problem that clause 149 27 (2.5G/5G/10GBASE-T1) are not included, as well as smooth the path for 28 IEEE P802.3cy, without impacting existing networks, or closing 29 possibilities for 100BASE-T1L and any possible future 1000BASE-T1L. 30 Additionally, contributions in the Greater than 10 Mb/s long-reach SPE 31 study group have shown that long-reach 1 Gb/s is challenging, leaving 32 greater than 1 Gb/s unlikely - hence 1 Gb/s is a good threshold to pass 33 autonegotiation off to the shorter-reach HSM. 34 35 IMPACT ON EXISTING NETWORKS: None. 36 37 38 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ 39 |Please attach supporting material, if any | 40 |Submit to:- David Law, Chair IEEE 802.3 | 41 |and copy:- Adam Healey, Vice-Chair IEEE 802.3 | 42 | | 43 |At:- E-Mail: stds-802-3-maint-req@ieee.org | 44 | | 45 | +------- For official 802.3 use -----------+ | 46 | | REV REQ NUMBER: 1394 | | 47 | | DATE RECEIVED: 18 February, 2022 | | 48 | | EDITORIAL/TECHNICAL | | 49 | | ACCEPTED/DENIED | | 50 | | BALLOT REQ'D YES/NO | | 51 | | COMMENTS: | | 52 +-------------+------------------------------------------+-------------+ 53 | For information about this Revision Request see - | 54 |http://www.ieee802.org/3/maint/requests/revision_history.html#REQ1394 | 55 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ 56

The relevant standards include: CSMA/CD (IEEE 802.3, ISO 8802-3) Token Bus (IEEE 802.4, ISO 8802-4) Token Ring (IEEE 802.5, ISO/IEC 8802-5) IEEE 802.6 (ISO/IEC DIS 8802-6) FDDI (ISO 9314-2) WLAN (IEEE 802.11, ISO/IEC 8802-11) B) The 'company_id' relevant standards include: defined in IEEE Std 1212-1991 Control and Status Register (CSR) Architecture referenced by IEEE Std 896.2-1991 Futurebus+Physical Layers and Profiles IEEE Std 1596-1992 Scalable Coherent Interface IEEE Std 1394-1995 Serial Bus document.

If Peter's concerns are properly paraphrased in the previous paragraph, then I note that: 1) Peter is an authority on 1212 & 1394. 2) Peter has valid points of concern.

The relevant standards include: CSMA/CD (IEEE 802.3, ISO 8802-3) Token Bus (IEEE 802.4, ISO 8802-4) Token Ring (IEEE 802.5, ISO/IEC 8802-5) IEEE 802.6 (ISO/IEC DIS 8802-6) FDDI (ISO 9314-2) WLAN (IEEE 802.11, ISO/IEC 8802-11) B) The 'company_id' relevant standards include: defined in IEEE Std 1212-1991 Control and Status Register (CSR) Architecture referenced by IEEE Std 896.2-1991 Futurebus+Physical Layers and Profiles IEEE Std 1596-1992 Scalable Coherent Interface IEEE Std 1394-1995 Serial Bus document.

The DTV/audio "clusters" will likely be connected together with 1394, but the bridges between 1394 and 802.3+ will have queues as well, so that doesn't reduce the need for queue management.

The DTV/audio "clusters" will likely be connected together with 1394, but the bridges between 1394 and 802.3+ will have queues as well, so that doesn't reduce the need for queue management.

But first, this group needs to ask, among other potential use cases, should "1394 carriage over IP" be included as the legitimate use case for Residential Ethernet?

I'm more familiar with IEEE Std 1394, which distributes&synchronizes timers so that the microphone data can be presented to the amplifier without dropping/inserting samples.

RBR includes features appropriate for the low-latency backplane environment: destination-based flow control, low-power short-haul PHY, backplane-to-backplane links, transport of IEEE-1394 isochronous data, and support of IEEE-1596 memory-update operations.

(see 802.1AS assumptions from AVB document)). • 61883 format over AVBTP will support presentation time in the same manner as 1394/61883 using the SYT field and in 24.576 MHz cycle time based on 802.1AS clock. – 61883-4 & 61883-7: Source Packet Header format with 0-127 seconds, 0-7999 8 kHz cycles, 0-3072 24.576 MHz sub-cycles.

One of the warts on IEC61883 is the lack of layering (one can't tell where 61883 stops and 1394 starts).

IEEE Draft P802.17/D0.3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 Residential Ethernet (RE) (a working paper) The following paper represents an initial attempt to codify the content of multiple IEEE 802.3 Residential Ethernet (RE) Study Group slide presenta- tions.

IEEE Draft P802.17/D0.3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 Residential Ethernet (RE) (a working paper) The following paper represents an initial attempt to codify the content of multiple IEEE 802.3 Residential Ethernet (RE) Study Group slide presenta- tions.

02078r0P802.15_TG3-Minutes Dallas Interim March, 1994 DOC: IEEE P802.11-94/xxx February 2002 IEEE P802.15.3 doc:. 02/078r0 IEEE 802.15 Wireless Personal Area Networks ( Project IEEE 802.15 Working Group for WPANs( Title IEEE 802.15 TG3 Minutes from Dallas to Schaumburg Date Submitted [29 January 2002] Sources Jim Allen Appairent Technologies, Inc. 150 Lucius Gordon Dr.

(see 802.1AS assumptions from AVB document)). • 61883 format over AVBTP will support presentation time using AVBTP timestamp field instead of current 61883 SYT field – 1394/61883 to 1722/61883 gateways will have to take care of all SYT to AVBTP timestamp conversions, synchronization, cross timestamps, etc. – Editor’s note: Need to work out SYT field for SPH = 1 packets as timestamps are on a per source packet basis (MPEG packet) instead of in the CIP header. • AVBTP 61883 presentation time shall be relative to the 802.1AS clock • Adapt 1394 AV/C Function Control Protocol (FCP) for use in 61883 over AVBTP. • Proprietary encapsulations allowed via reserved subtype (7F16) • Allow for other future expansions via different subtypes.